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I pretty much expected it. I was ready for it. This is what I told myself last night, when I finally went to sleep.

But I am thoroughly depressed by what I, in theory, expected, so obviously I had silently hoped for a different result. I don't live in the US, and I don't live in CA. I live in Ontario, in Canada, where gay marriage is a simple fact of both law and daily life. Prior to the advent of legal marriage for gays, I knew a number of people whose SO's were in the hospital dying of AIDS -- and who were denied the ability to be with their SO's in their last days because of the narrow-minded and ultimately evil (really, truly, imho) decisions of the rest of their family, even though, right up until the point that hospitalization was required, they were the ones who were physically caring for them -- a right that could not be denied a legal spouse.

Pointing to the ways in which a "separate but equal" commitment does not detract from daily life misses that single point. Think about it: If your SO's mother is denying you all access to her son because you aren't kin, how exactly, in CA, are you going to prove that you have the right to access? What are you going to say to the hospital staff? You can argue that you are, in fact, legally entitled to visit and to be there -- but what are you pulling out of your pockets to drop on the staff's desk? When you are already reeling in shock and pain, how are you building up your bureaucratic arsenal to be there to comfort the dying -- and to gain, for yourself, possibly the last hours you will ever have with the living?

No cut-tags here, because, honestly? CA, I do not get it. I understand the ways in which the Supreme Court was hampered -- but they should never have been hampered that way in the first place. To those who voted for prop 8: I don't understand your fear. I don't understand your bigotry. I don't understand your hatred. No one is telling you what to do. No one is telling you who to marry. Or who to sleep with. No one is pointing their mocking teen-age fingers at you and calling you gay. Okay? (I may, at this point, be calling you a whole host of other things, but my fury is not entrenched in law.)

It is not as if the lesbian and gay communities are asking for something outrageous. They are not asking for your jobs, your homes, your children, or your money; they're not demanding equal sexual time with you or your spouse; they're not trying to secede. What horrible and agitating thing are they struggling to achieve? They want to get married. Wow. That's it. They want to be able to get married. I'm having trouble wrapping my mind around why this is considered so ultimately terrifying because if you actually unpack the fear... there's not a lot there. They want the chance, in front of friends, family, and their entire community, to put their money where their mouth is: to make the public commitment.

I am, absent obvious racial characteristics, as middle-of-the-road as one gets. I am married, I have two children, I have a mortgage. My husband works full-time; I work part-time and write. I hate housework. My parents are in and out of my house all week. I am not writing from any radical fringe or any radical mode of thought. My marriage, and my family, are not lessened by gay marriage; they are more threatened by a society that continues to attempt to entrench bigotry in its constitution. I understand bigotry. I know what my parents lost--as children--in the internment camps of the second world war. I know what their parents lost, as adults with families they couldn't even keep together, so I understand bigotry. I understand the costs.

There is enough loneliness and unhappiness in life that denying people the chance at a public, successful marriage seems petty, small, cruel. Will all of the marriages survive? Probably not; many marriages don't. But the profound hope and promise of the beginning is one of the ways one gets through the storms and the upheavals. We promised. It was witnessed. It meant something. Denying people this happiness and this hope just spreads misery and isolation.

Please, do not do this. Do not continue to do this.

Date: 2009-05-27 01:01 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dubiousprospects.blogspot.com (from livejournal.com)
The problem with gay marriage is that it takes a pragmatic argument about material harm and uses it to over-ride an argument derived from a mix of religious doctrine and religious authority.

This is the sane and sensible thing to do unless you derive your income, social standing, sense of self, or political power from religious sources; in that case, it calls into question the fundamental legitimacy of at least one, and probably more than one, thing you consider very important.

It's not really about the gay; it's about what the legitimate ways to construct moral authority and social norms are. That's what makes it so bitter on the anti side and so frequently bewildered on the for side, because the anti position -- as Michelle has so eloquently pointed out -- makes absolutely no sense if you consider the question in material terms.

Date: 2009-05-27 02:51 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nagasvoice.livejournal.com
Which means the only way to get through to fearful but reachable folks who were bullied round by their churches too much (and they have doubts about it) is by refuting the religious arguments on their own grounds, pointing out that the extremists are not god-fearing but hateful in promoting evil and isolation.
The other part of it is showing that it is not morally wrong to allow people of all kinds to make a serious commitment to one another. I'm hoping those rainbow window folks will be able to make some points.
California gets a liberal rep, but it's often undeserved. A lot of the nuttiest and furthest right of the wing-nuts find it perfectly comfortable here, and not just in certain enclaves. As in OR or WA, you can often cut the red/blue thing in any given district by whether it's inland or on the coast, urban or rural.
Okay, I just deleted a vast rant on Orange County, which runs close to Salt Lake City for conservative, wealthy, intolerant, and large...anyway, this state is full of insecure people who long for somebody who has The Word to tell them what to do in uncertain times. Or any time, really. I think of them as jellyfish who lack an internal organizing principle and look to others for the rules.
And guess what? You can make more people like that by insisting on keeping people fearful and isolated as they grow up. What's not to love there? Self-generating organization men, right?
Finally, this is not exactly the triumph that the right wing expected to get, either.
Daily Kos had some very good points they found buried in the tricky language of the court's opinion. You have to bear with it, which of course regular news media so rarely do.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/5/26/735571/-Read-page-36.-They-just-cut-Prop-8-to-the-bone.

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