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[livejournal.com profile] janni's question about earning out your advance: I know a lot of people who have, in fact, earned out their first book advances.

So. If your advance does earn out, are you in fact underpaid?

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One other interesting thing I've been hearing lately about the kids' book field, that somehow had never been on my radar before: apparently many people feel that if your advance doesn't earn out, even if the book otherwise does well, it could harm your chances of selling the next. While in SF/fantasy, the conventional wisdom was always (don't know if this has changed) that you shouldn't expect your book to earn out, especially if it's a first novel.

Although this was in a comment thread, I wanted to separate it out; it's a question asked by [livejournal.com profile] janni.

I don't actually know how true this is now, but I do know that I, like Janni, heard this a lot in the early '90s. There was some sense that if the advance, which is entirely separate from something like a P&L statement, earned out then you, the author, had been paid too little.

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I have, in previous posts, made one assumption in general which I should now address a bit.

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[Oh -- I forgot to mention something else, which I should. The vast majority of all returns will be front-list books. The new books that have come out. Backlist books should have a much smaller rate of return because in theory the bookstore knows how those sell, and can order accordingly.]
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When I first started working in the bookstore as a part-timer, the reps told us it took about 5 books for an author to really find her legs and have enough of a shelf presence to take off. That's certainly not what they say now. Now, you've got 2 books at most houses in which to establish a place for yourself. This is now in the territory of gross generalization, fwiw, and things are changing because they always do. Many authors have more than 2 books out, but they're not making a decent living writing. I actually think the rise of the superstores helped because there's not only room for backlist, but some demand for it.

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More -- a little bit, at any rate -- tomorrow after work. Sleep now.
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This would be part 4, but apparently there's a word-limit in LJ posts, which -- to no one's surprise, I'm sure <g> -- I've exceeded. So this is first half, second to follow. Sorry about the flood :/.

So returns are a fact of life, and as seen, there are various reasons for them. One of the frustrations of a small independent with no warehouse is that the discount given by many publishers to the bookstore is often 40%. Chains will get close to 50%. Whose returns are higher? Not the independents. If you'd offered -me- an extra 10% to buy everything non-returnable, I'd have done it in a second. Instead, the publisher incentive to buy non-returnable was often 2 or 3 percent, which wasn't worth it. On the side of publishers, however, they often ship to warehouses, so the shipping costs and the handling costs are less, and the publishers absorb those. There are always at least two sides to a story; there are often three.

Where was I? Right. Let's look at something that never happens, and is therefore an extreme example made for the sake of clarity. If a book has a 100% sell-through, it can be argued that the publisher failed to get -enough- of those books to shelf. I think it can even be reasonably argued. Let me explain (and if I sound talking-downish, I grovel and apologize in advance.)

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That I am rambling. I'm not saying anything that hasn't been said before. I'm glossing over things instead of examing the minutiae. If there's anything I've said that's not clear -- or if there's anything that's counter to your own experience, please don't hesitate to point it out!

And if there's anything that needs clarifying, don't hesitate to ask. I haven't figured out yet how to wedge agents, and the question of agents, into the ramble itself -- but I think it's in part because I'm presenting much of the process from the bookstore angle rather than the writer angle. Every writer is eventually going to deal with the agent question, and every writer is going to deal with editors and by extension, publishers. But people have varied ideas about bookstores, and I'm mulling about those at the moment.
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Now that the book has been ordered, and the initial numbers have come in, it, along with all of the various titles for the various publisher imprints, will be printed and shipped to bookstores and rack jobbers (and Ingram and Baker and Taylor, who will also send it to bookstores. The advantage to Ingram and Baker and Taylor is that there is no per publisher minimum to be met; there's a strict dollar minimum. This means you can order 5 books from Penguin, rather than the 30 that would otherwise be required to make a minimum order, combining the 5 from Penguin with 5 books from Bantam and 5 books from Random House and 5 books from Overlook, etc., you can meet the general minimum).

The book is now on the shelves! Yay!

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The submission criterion has changed in many ways since the time I submitted my first novel. I don't believe that Del Rey now accepts unsolicited submissions, for one. When I submitted my novel, length was an issue. In the intervening years, for a while, it was vastly less of an issue -- and now it's an issue again, with a vengeance.

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I have no idea how many people here want to write, and I'm certain that most people who already write are familiar with much of what I'm going to say, but I'd like to say it anyway, so a possible boredom alert has now been issued, and I'll rap the knuckles of anyone who complains. Or snores. You could have left.

Something [livejournal.com profile] janni said got me thinking, which is why I started this. And, as it's long, it's multi-part, which will, I'm certain, surprise no one <wry g>.

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I just received email with my tentative schedule for Noreascon, and it looks good. I'll be rooming with [livejournal.com profile] andpuff while in Boston, and I'll be there for all four days of the convention (I usually only manage three), so I'm looking forward to it. It looks like I'm on a panel with [livejournal.com profile] papersky, so I'll get to meet her in person, which I'm looking forward to as well.

I spent the weekend in Pittsburgh at Confluence, and I had a wonderful time.

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Just in case anyone has missed this, it's pretty funny. It's an mp3.

http://www.pythonline.com/plugs/idle/index.shtml

It's not really rated for work, and it's not entirely language suitable for obvious reasons (Eric Idle was fined 5,000.00 for using the F word on air in the US, and this is his response).

Happy

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I'm getting very excited about this weekend, because I'll be heading down to Pittsburgh for Confluence 2004.
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And Gordon Van Gelder just sent me email mentioning that, among the other review books being sent, there's an ARC of "something or other called GOING POSTAL by some guy Pritchett? Cratchett?" I squealed <g>. He knows that I'm just shy of being a total Pratchett fanatic. Probably on the wrong side <g>. New Donaldson Covenant novel, RUNES OF EARTH, is also on its way.

HOUSE WAR is going well*, and I've accepted that it's just not going to be written at the blazing speed of, say, CAST IN SHADOW :/. Or, for that matter, SUN SWORD itself. I write endings quickly because the writing of a story -- for me -- is the slow struggle to move a large boulder up hill and the ending is the moment at which the hill has been crested and the rock is in great danger of getting away.

*well = pages that have not been erased from the hard-drive in instant loathing. It's me. I do have moments of intense joy in my writing -- but they don't last very long. I'm trying to do something about this <wry g>.
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Just came back from a few days at a friend's cottage, and I'm about to put the kids to bed. Well, okay, I'm about to -try-. I see an pressing and interesting discussion about fantasy in [livejournal.com profile] papersky's topic, and also interesting responses to the last comment (thread?) here, so I'll try to get back to stick my two cents in <g>.
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Something [livejournal.com profile] sartorias is discussing made me think of something vis a vis writing and process. I started to post this in response to her comment about narrator and voice, and then realized that it was a digression, and off topic. So I'm posting it here.

I find process discussions fascinating precisely because no two writers I've ever met have the same process, although there's overlap.

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Having almost finished the requested revisions for one project (I'm waiting to get something clarified before I can actually say done and heave both a sigh of relief and a manuscript out the door), I'm getting back to writing the novel I put aside to work on revisions. [I've been finishing up the Sunburst Jury award work as well.]

Which is sort of my excuse for being so darn slow to get up to speed on HOUSE WAR again.

When I was younger, I found switching between projects almost a relief. I'm not sure if it was due to the fact that I had no children then, and that there was nothing therefore consuming emotional energy and time in the particular fashion; I do think about this a lot. Why? Because I think I'm becoming, in novel terms, a serial monogamist.

It takes me a while to sink the emotional roots I need to have in place into any novel, and when I move to a different project, I seem -- these days -- to uproot them all. When I come back, I have to give myself a big mental slap, and change speed, tone and direction -- all of which would be easier; I have to find the emotional threads and bindings, which is harder than it used to be.

So I'm sort of wondering how many people here can work on two books at once, and how they manage to do it if they can. I can take short story breaks, but I think this has more to do with the differing processes of the two media.
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Just in case you, like me, don't actually watch soccer. Or television sports. Or, in fact, much television in general. And by this point, you know the drill <wry g>.

And it occurs to me that it's the 4th of July -- so I hope all of you South of the border (well, and expats who are here) are having a fabulous, sunny day!
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A number of discussions have cropped up recently that have made me think about the nature of relationships and attraction.

A word of context: I'm married, happily, have 2 children, and a large extended family, much of which is not related to me genetically. I've spent a good number of years building family, although I have a quirky, reasonable one for the most part, by birth.

3 conversations, very abbreviated:

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It appears that the Greeks won the semi-finals.

How do I know this? Yes! Car horns. Lots of. I wish I were a sports geek. (If there can be such a creature).
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I probably shouldn't be writing this, because it's always a good idea to take a breath when one's annoyed. Or several. Or in fact, a night's sleep. But then again, if I were a sensible person, I wouldn't be a writer.

I don't know how many of you have followed, or regularly read, Making Light, the excellent, varied, intelligent and oft pungent blog of Teresa Nielsen Hayden. I was pointed at it by two friends (Chris Szego, for whom I work, and another, as yet unpublished writer, Graydon Saunders, who also lives in Toronto) many months ago, and have lurked more or less frequentIy since then, but I do my best, having learned over time that this is wise, to lurk and keep my opinions in general to myself. This is less hard -- for those of you who know me -- than it might initially appear, because there are some pretty darned smart people who regular post there, and they usually say anything I might say, but with more cutting wit.

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Is there any way to view the comment threads in a non-threaded, linear fashion? As in, read them in the order, by time & date, in which they were posted? I've read as much of the FAQ as seems relevant, and I can't see a single thing that would allow this -- but I'm hopeful that I'm just a) blind or b) looking in the wrong place.

And another question: I've been looking at some user info pages -- and I'm overwhelmed at the number of people that people 'friend'. Is it just that most people don't post much in their LJs? Because if I had in excess of 100 (and some people have close to 300) friends who -did-, I'd never get anything done. Not even sleep :/.

I'm trying to read the journals of people who have friended -me-, when I can, and am wondering about the etiquette of 'friending' in the LJ community. It is considered rude not to friend people who friend you? (and friend as a verb... <deep sigh>.) Is it considered rude to just friend someone? Any opinions -- even sarcastic, silly ones -- are welcome.
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